Photographer Camaraderie IS Important
August 11th, 2009Photographers of all types listen up ! It is time to STOP hoarding all your “secret” information and START to share it ! I am very upset and disappointed in many photographers today because they think they are Gods gift to photography and that the technique and information they have is exclusive to them only. They think that they are the ones who invented the god dam light bulb and I am TIRED AND FED UP with that kind of thinking. There is nothing out there that hasn’t been done. The difference is how each photographer adds his or her twist on the concept. I could light the shot, shoot 10 frames, then you shoot 10 frames and our images will be totally different.
I bring this up because I can’t tell you how many times guys call me or email me asking for advice and I can hear the apprehension in their voice as they must sit there quivering with fright whether or not I am going to be a total dick and bite their head off. Then when I begin to speak and give them every ounce of energy and information I have they loosen up so much you would think we are best friends. Then they tell me how many other shooters they have called and all they get are answers like “learn it yourself” or “I’m not your mother” or literally the photographer will just hang up on them !
So the other day a very nice gentleman named Kevin emailed me with some questions about contracts and business essentials. I emailed him back & told him to call me because there is sooooo much information that I would be sitting at the computer for days. So anyway he calls me the next day and talked about many things. I told him how important it is to have a contract, deposit etc. He asked if I would email him one of my contracts and you know what ? I emailed it to him right away. He was so happy and thankful. And I was happy as well because hopefully it will bring his business standards up to par with mine and my colleagues and the next time I get a call for a project the client will know what to expect.
For example, usage rights, terms, day rates etc. I am embarrassed that MOST of the new guys don’t know to charge for usage and they don’t even bother to find out !!!!
When I started in this business the internet didn’t even exist and I found out all I needed to know WITHOUT even going to school. Now that we have the internet please give me ONE reason why ANYONE cannot find out what they need to know about photography or anything for that matter.
So now that Kevin has information about how to write up a contract and how to charge usage fees and day rates do you think that I will be put out of business ? Hell no !
This bullshit of everyone being so closed minded and protective of any info like locations, rates, technique etc. is THE reason there will never be a photographers union. Think about it people. In the movie industry there are unions and they are a good thing. Christ there are location resource books and prop resource books and even technique books that DP’s share with each other and there has never been a problem.
So I am here to get tough with you all and say… grab your balls, DROP your egos, study, learn, research, share your talent and make friends. In the long run you will be better off because you WILL make the rates you are supposed to make like I make and my colleagues make. But if you keep this behavior up you are only f * * king it up for yourselves for the future because you will never know what it feels like to make VERY good money and be paid very well for what you are good at.
Now go ahead and hit me with all ya got ! I’m ready to take it on ! lol
jerry avenaim and jason christopher fashion photographers
August 11th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Thank you for that, you really do get that feeling speaking with quite a few photogs when you ask how a particular photo was achieved. Thanks for the encouragement for us amature photographers and I’m glad to see you’re doing well. (BTW, you shot me at your pad in Newbury Park yeeears ago when I was first starting my acting career.) Take care.
Ricky Moore
Actor/Producer
Cult Classic Films
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Jason Christopher Reply:
August 11th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Ricky I totally remember you !!! So your not modeling anymore ?
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August 11th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
WORD.
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August 11th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Great rampage! I feel the exact same way about that.
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Jason Christopher Reply:
August 11th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Thank you guys. I appreciate the support. Spread the word about this post. We need to stand together !!!!
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August 11th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
So do you think I can get a copy of that contract and your model release? LOL!
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Jason Christopher Reply:
August 11th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Of course
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August 11th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Just put them to the site?
I know another little someone who could use something to modify 
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August 12th, 2009 at 4:39 am
lol, loved this.
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August 12th, 2009 at 6:01 am
As one of those new photographers, thank you! And, as a new photographer to other new photographers… read, research, LEARN!!! It’s not that tough, really. Check out the trade organizations that do exist. I joined ASMP and the information available is phenomenal! Hell, you don’t even have to join to get good info about business practices. But do it.
And you pros out there… Help us out. We don’t want to saturate the market and bring the money down. We jsut want to work hard doing what we love and make a living doing it.
But, the responsibility lies with the newbies… read, learn, practice, hone your skills.
Who wants to soap box next?
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Jason Christopher Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 8:03 am
I appreciate all your positive replies ! Please please for me and for yourselves pass this post to other photographers and spread the word. I know I probably cannot change the world however, if I can make some difference then I will feel like I have done my part.
There is software that I want you all to get. It does all your budgeting for you. It will give you low medium and high usage rates based on what information you enter. This software coaches you through how to negotiate and gives you average day rates for particular projects. It is only $150 and WELL worth it. The program is called fotoquote. Go to http://www.fotoquote.com It is made by Cradoc software and is very legit. Visit my blog often and other blogs. Sign up and attend my workshop. If you live in another state other than California then hop on a plane. Flights are dirt cheap now. This is an INVESTMENT in YOUR career. MAKE SURE YOU CLICK THE RSS FEED FOR EACH POST YOU WOULD LIKE TO KEEP UPDATED ON. We can do this !!!!! We are creative and intelligent people who are also resourceful !
I wanna hear more opinions. Does anyone disagree with me ? Come on now. Don’t be afraid. This is your chance to make a difference !!
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Jason Christopher Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Ok I am finally out of surgery and I have tons to catch up on. Thank you all for your replies and support. Yes my spelling is horrible and I just corrected the word camaraderie. I can’t spell but I can shoot
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Jason Christopher Reply:
September 16th, 2009 at 9:32 am
I totally agree with you Jeff. This is why I offer private photography workshops. I don’t have any secrets. My goal is to help all of us be equally informed and learn how to photograph a job so that your photos come out of the camera looking pretty damn close to perfect. If you have to re touch all your images and fix the lighting BEFORE you turn your images in to a client then how can you call yourself a photographer ?
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August 12th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Nah, no more modeling for me. But I am an actor so in a sense its still making it work in front of the camera. I do enjoy being behind the lens these days as well. So stoked to see you still kicking ass and taking superb photos!
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August 12th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Okay, guys…..this is the infamous “Kevin”. I had just completed my first commercial shoot as a “freebie” for a friend. This large chain of clothing stores liked the work enough that they hired me for another shoot. Paid this time!!! To be honest, I am still a newbie to the whole profession of photography…..even technically. My full-time job is as a hospital president. However, that business background gave me enough insight to know that I needed to protect myself with a written contract. That’s where I panicked.
I immediately went to the internet and asked several professionals for help. I was completely and totally ignored. That is, until I reached out to Jason Christopher. We, who go to his website, don’t realize what a gem we have available to us. And, it’s all for the asking. Jason took a significant amount of time with me over the phone and immediately shared his documents. No monstrous ego was ever displayed. He was educational, direct, and truly showed his concern and love for the profession and for his fellow photographers. I encourage all of us to adopt Jason’s mantra, but also to ASK QUESTIONS and ASK FOR HELP. This guy is dynamite.
Thanks so much, Jason.
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Jason Christopher Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Kevin you are very welcome
I am very happy to help.
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August 12th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
I just Twitted, shared on GReader and made a tattoo on my forehead with this post’s url. I’ve just paid 600$ to a children photographer for one week of mentoring and she has not only not showed me any SOOC picture because she “does not use Photoshop on her images” but has finally ended by giving me the link to another photographer’s blog where was explained what she was supposed to tell me. I am so ashamed of myself for being so stupid to fall in this swindle that I won’t sleep well until I help other photographers not to make the same mistake that I did.
Thanks most of all for being honest
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Jason Christopher Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Hi Esther ! Thank you so much. I am a bit confused though. What is a SOOC picture ? Also, where do you live and what exactly were you expecting to get out of this photographer mentoring you ?
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August 12th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Hi again, Jason. I live in Spain and I think that a SOOC picture means “straight out of camera” picture. Am I right? Sorry if I’m not, my English os not as good as I would like.
This photographer has amazing pictures of children, and by “amazing” I mean “technically amazing” as the picures “per se” are normal portraits of children, but the quality of those pics, i.e the colours, the sharpness, etc… is incredible. My pictures are not bad, but hers are out of this world. She offered online mentoring for a week and I told her I wanted to focus on the technical aspects, because I know that what’s behind the lens (the eye pf the photographer) cannot be taught, but the techniques can. After I paid she told me everything is about “finding my style” and when I asked her about how she achieves those colors, how she postprocesses her pictures, she told me it’s about the gear (Nikon versus the Canon gear I use). When I asked about the way she exposed, or the way she faces the lightingin, that was when she gave me the link to a former mentoree of hers’ blog where that person explained the exposure to newbies.
I am sorry for the extension of this answer, it’s not my intention to use your blog to rant
Thanks!!
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Jason Christopher Reply:
August 14th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Well my response to this is that NOTHING can come out of the camera perfect but it sure can be VERY close to perfect. Photoshop should not be used as a life saver. It should be only used as a tool to enhance an image just as make up should only be used to enhance beautiful features on a woman. My second response is mentoring or learning online is very difficult. Hands on training is really the most optimal. Imagine a soldier in basic training learning how to fire a rifle online lol. It’s impossible. Or a doctor learning how to do heart surgery with an online course. I sure as hell wouldn’t want him or her to operate on me.
Her point that it’s “about the gear Nikon versus Canon” is a bunch of crap. A solid photographer can create a great photo with a point and shoot, and I mean that.
My blog is here to give you guidance and inspiration. But do not think for one moment that by reading my blog and other blogs that you will be able to shoot better photos overnight. Do not think that going to photography school is going to make you a good photographer. What is going to make you a good photographer is PASSION, DRIVE and the willingness to learn hands on and sweat through it. To take good workshops in person, not online. I’m sorry that you had to waste your hard earned $600 but it happens to all of us. My God I have learned hard lessons losing MUCH more than $600.
If you can ever make it to Los Angeles I can promise you that you will learn more in two days than you will ever learn in a whole week. And please always feel free to ask as many questions as you wish and rant as much as you want. That is why I made this blog. For us, for all of us photographers !
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August 12th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Okay… I will be the devil’s advocate. Just to keep it interesting here. You know I love ya Jason! You have truly mentored me along the way and I am forever in your debt. I honestly believe that every new photographer needs a mentor. But everyone has their own style of learning behaviors. Not everyone can read a book or something on the internet and immediately understand. It takes hands on training and physically performing the task for some to ever “get it”. Okay dont attack me! I’m just playing the devil’s advocate here. Toss this one up to my education. I am a high school business educator. LOL! My training is in learning styles.
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Jason Christopher Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Hey Wendy. Ok that is fine. But my point is if you can’t read a book or learn on the net then assist ! Just do something ! Don’t just sit on your ass thinking you know everything ! Take yourself for example. You reached out to me and it worked.
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August 12th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Yes it did! By the way… Expedia was recently and may still be offering round trip tickets to LA from most locations for only $98. I feel a workshop coming on! LOL!
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Jason Christopher Reply:
August 12th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
WOW ! that is cheap ! Hear that everyone ? Come out to Los Angeles and learn from me and get yiour photography moving in the right direction !
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August 13th, 2009 at 2:09 am
Yeah! Anytime
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August 14th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Howdy folks,
Interesting topic of discussion. This world is full of all types. Those that share, and a bunch that don’t. Call to action can be books, internet, or get your feet wet assisting. It is all so worthwhile. i have assisted Jason for some time, and each shoot offers unique challenges… so to know how to shoot and capture straight from the can is essential. I know there are a lot of PS users who can manipulate better then they shoot… but it is what it is. It took me time to get proper gear, and thank god for nice people whom gave me direction based on their experience.
Darrin
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August 14th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
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August 14th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Couldn’t agree more Jason. We all need to pass it forward and I try to be as helpful and approachful to beginning travel photographers as I can. But I also agree that there is an onus on beginning photographers to try and educate themselves. Too many people email me not having tried to research anything themselves but want me to tell them everything. I’m always more than happy to help but always point people in the direction of good books, or blog posts I’ve made on the subject first. When I first started I didn’t know any photographers who worked in the field I do so read a lot of books to understand how the industry works. Now with the internet it’s so easy to learn how to price your work and run a professional business that there’s no excuse for not doing a little digging yourself.
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Jason Christopher Reply:
September 16th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Hi Paul you are absolutely correct. I encourage photographers to at least try to find the info themselves first. When I first started I went to Barnes and Noble, sat down for 2-3 hours and read anything and everything. Back then the internet was just coming out and was VERY slow and VERY expensive and there wasn’t much info out there about anything. So I sat down with a loupe and a stack of magazines and looked at the catch lights in the eyes. I also looked at the shadows and how they fell on the model. And remember digital didn’t exist.
If I saw a round catch light with metal splines well I knew it was an umbrella and you could see where in the pupil it was located. If it was a solid rectangle well then it was a soft box. Steven Meisel is very popular for using two large soft boxes on each side and he stands in the middle of them. As far as exposure well that just took a ton of experimentation and reading.
But I also studied FASHION. I studied designers and the fabric. I studied the female mind and emotions because I don’t care how experienced a model is, they are all insecure and need and want the photographer to encourage them and talk to them as you shoot. I shoot fashion because I love womens clothes, the fabric the details etc. The camera is just a tool to capture the clothes and make them look amazing. I hate buying gear. I would rather buy toys and travel.
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August 14th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
I left this same comment on Aphotoeditor’s site:
I concur with you 100%.
I recently wrote a piece on photography commUNITY.
http://blog.visualreserve.com/?p=228
People need to make the effort to learn but those in a higher position should make it their goal to help those on their way up. That’s just how I see it.
I’m throwing a party in at my studio for all Nashville photographers, no matter what level of experience they’re at.
http://blog.visualreserve.com/?p=281
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Jason Christopher Reply:
September 16th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Thank you David. I respect your work very much. It’s photographers like us who are secure with our work.
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August 14th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Perfectly worded and true! I have wondered if the people who keep their secrets are insecure or just plain arrogant or both.
I have bookmarked this and will happily share it with the world.
Thank you for putting into words what many of us who do share have been wanting to say!
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Jason Christopher Reply:
September 16th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Thank you Steve. I think the ones who don’t share are insecure and maybe arrogant.
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August 14th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Finally!! You took the words right out of my mouth!
I personally wish I was more proactive in reaching out to other photographers. However, when other photographers reach out to me for questions, usage fee info, etc., I do not hesitate AT ALL.
The knowledge you give away to those that need it, the more space you’ll create in your brain for more knowledge!
Bravo!
Thank you!!
R
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Jason Christopher Reply:
September 16th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Thank you very much Ryan.
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August 14th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Truly a Loser’s Manifesto. Pathetic cry. Actually nothing can be hidden these days. Only it takes years to form the skills to decode a piece of information. And the idiots are getting lazier day by day. Yet, through sheer numbers they are a power. And this is the purpose of this call to arms. Yet, do you need to be the king of losers? Does this make you anything else but one of them?
Work, work, work. Or die a loser.
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Jason Christopher Reply:
September 16th, 2009 at 9:36 am
I’m sorry Lon, I don’t understand you response. Are you saying that I am a loser ?
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August 14th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
When a photographer asks me about what I’ve been working on, I show them. If they want technical details, I’ll send them my production notes and sketches. If they have an interest in the client, I also give them the name of the art director or designer and how to get in touch. Even in a small market, there’s no reason not to.
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August 14th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
About time someone said it loud and clear! I’m always amazed when people say “Thanks for sharing, so and so told me to fuck off.”
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August 14th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
The ASMP and its website is a great place to learn about all of this. The information is out there it just requires some digging. I’m running into a lot of situations where the customer asks about the usage line item and why I would charge for that when no one else is.
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August 14th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Great post!
20 + years working for camera people in the film business as a focus puller put me in close contact with many great DP’s. The ‘greats’ gave you the time of day and more. The weak hold their cards close and posture like what they do is brain surgery. Proof was and always is in the pudding.
Thank you Jack Green, Alen Daviau, Witold Stok, Chivo and many many others. I pass along everything I know with the time I have because of the wonderful examples everyone of you presented to some schmo living in Smaltimore.
And to the dirtballs who relish inflicted their insecurities on new people in the camera department is wish you good Karma cause you’ll need it.
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August 14th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Great rant, I try to gear many of my blog posts to the up and coming photogs out there because the attitudes of many photographers is horrid. There really is so much rivalry out there and most of the time it’s cutting your nose off to spit your face type thinking.
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August 14th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
The notion that everything in photography has been done is completely absurd. That’s quite a broad statement and I’m inclined to believe you’re alluding solely to commercial photography. However there are a number of commercial photographers that straddle the line between art and commerce. Their ability, skill and intellect allows for an infusion of contemporary concepts. Social and political messages and sentiment may be interpreted then documented. These images function not only as visually engaging “signs of the times” but historical documents. Richard Avedon is a perfect example. David Lachappelle pushes the envelope in both content and aesthetic choices. It’s through the pushing that progress may be attained. These people did not subscribe to the idea “There is nothing out there that hasn’t been done.”
Honestly if I was one of the photographers in question, I’d be tempted to hang up too. How about attempting to establish a relationship or dialogue with someone before asking for a favor? Photographer’s have a right to their intellectual property. Simply because one person may be lacking doesn’t mean they’re entitled to another’s time, skill and product.
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Jason Christopher Reply:
September 16th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Hi John,
I appreciate your comment. What I meant that everything has been done was about lighting. With the advent of Photoshop one could argue a good point that not everything has been done and I agree. I also agree that some techniques should not be shared and I am referring to post production techniques. If you have a certain look that you achieved through post then of course you don’t want to share that because that is YOUR look. Any photographer that wants to copy that “look” is not thinking because he is not creating his own look.
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August 15th, 2009 at 1:09 am
Isn’t this exactly what spending years assisting is for?
Lets be honest anyone can now pick up a DSLR and call themselves a photographer. Rank amateurs who do freebie jobs don’t do photography any good in the long run, they just get taken advantage of for one free job and/or do a dismal job which tars working professionals with the same brush. It also brings down the standing of photography in the eyes of those who commision the work.
The industry doesn’t need more amateurs thinking they can be professionals, what it needs is more people who won’t undercut and screw over those who make a living here. Often it’s by not asserting their copyright, understanding usage or doing jobs for shockingly low rates. Back when we shot large format film there was a huge technical skill set whick kept out the wannabe photographers and kept standards high (it took ages to learn how to properly shoot and process film, especially large format).
Flogging workshops to naive amateurs won’t make them photographers, all it’ll do is line the pockets of those who host them.
If you want to be a photographer, get assisting, get a portfolio, work with as may different people as possible, work as hard as you can, get a portfolio of your best work together (a decent post bound folio not one of these crappy art shop books) go see agents, they may not take you on but they’ll certainly give good feedback on your work. Then after years of hard graft, maybe, just maybe, you’ll be good enough to call yourself a professional.
There are no shortcuts in this business, assisting, hard work and perseverance are the only things that will get you there. Those who think that spending their way in with workshops and the latest kit will be sorely dissapointed.
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August 15th, 2009 at 6:51 am
This post is spot-on. After posting on Twitter about my frustration with photographers hiding their EXIF information on Flickr, a friend of mine pointed me to this blog post.
As you said, no one out there is doing anything that hasn’t been done before. We’re all now striving to give fresh interpretations to already established techniques. If certain pro photographers are afraid that amateurs will be able to exceed their skill level after learning from their technical data, then they deserve to fade away, since they apparently weren’t doing anything unique anyway.
I think it benefits everyone to share as much technical and theoretical knowledge as possible when it comes to this art. The community can only grow stronger and the limits of photography will only be pushed to greater things. No photographer is the perfect embodiment of photography–each and everyone one of us has something to learn, and the more you give to that collective pool of knowledge, the better chance you have of learning something that will change your shooting forever.
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August 15th, 2009 at 9:48 am
It can take weeks, months years, even a whole career to develop a style based on technique. Why on earth should anyone have to tell how they did it? I certainly won’t – deal with it! By all means, don’t bite someone’s head off when they ask, that would suck. Instead, encourage them to experiment and either work it out for them selves, or even better, come up with their own technique that is unique to them and their work. Stop being lazy and work on your style it’s the single most important thing of anyone’s career. Getting handed things on a platter is utter pointless.
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August 17th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Well, well, well. this particular post has grown since the last time I looked. For the most part it seems everyone is in tune with the concept of sharing ones ideas and techniques. Which I think is great. It doesnt mean all of our work would look alike. I learned a ton working with Jason during our 3 day workshop and I am sure I am a better photographer b/c of it. But it did take work and practice. I also made sure that technically I was up to speed before I met him. That way he didnt have to waste time on things like fstops and ISO’s but more how to be creative with light. He taught me how to conceptualize the shot before ever taking the camera out of the bag.
But then you have a few posts from “Sam” and “D” who decide the knowledge is better kept secret and its everyone for themselves. But they do throw in the token ” go and assist” approach. Well I am not sure I would want to assist with any of them as it appears you would be left scratching your head and hauling gear.
I am a true believer that you can teach technicals and techniques, but the style comes once you understand the 1st 2. So for me working with a guy like Jason who has no problem sharing his process is great. I can then adopt some of that knowledge into my own process which in turn helps build my style.
So I am down with the sharing and well “Sam” and “D” can stay locked in the dark. Hell maybe they can develop some film while they are there
Cheers
Dave
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August 17th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Wow, this is what my fiance and I say all the time. There are so many times I’ve asked a photographer how he achieved a look and I will get no response or a snarky response that makes me feel bad for even asking!
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Jason Christopher Reply:
September 10th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Well Ambrosia those shooters aren’t professional and aren’t worth you wasting time on them.
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August 17th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
I’m SO glad someone finally came out with this. I’ve been thinking the same thing for years. With all the PS techniques and action sets and processing steps, etc, etc…all of the ‘elite’ photographers seem to be stuck in this stupid little bubble and they refuse to let anyone in. GET OVER YOURSELVES! I agree 100% with everything you’ve said here. Round of applause to you, sir. It’s about time people realize that knowledge is meant to be shared. How can you ever progress or find new ideas without sharing information. Kudos!
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August 19th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Traditionally speaking photographers have always been very apprehensive of the other guy. As if your knowing that he shoots for X will make you contact X and take the job away. That’s not the way it works.
But, we live in the fake it till you make it world and you can’t ever be anything but inbetween jobs and have various projects in different stages of development, this is LA after all.
I do appreciate your mentoring and open sharing ideas and the bite behind it. Perhaps I can invite you to come on one of my calls and share?
The Photography Business Success Coach Beate
http://Photosecrets.Wordpress.com
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August 19th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
The good ones always share. People who hold their cards so close to their chest don’t have a lot of confidence in their hand.
Sometimes a little jewel of advice can change the way someone shoots/edits forever. Pay it forward…bitches.
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Jason Christopher Reply:
September 10th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Thank you Andrew. You said it perfectly.
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August 20th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Jason…
Good stuff!!
I enjoyed it…and I agree, we don’t get anywhere without the help of others…
Best to you!
Paul Gero
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August 20th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Jason, well versed. You’re spot on. It’s great this is coming from an established, and talented photographer. I’ve come across a few amateurs that have learned one or two lighting set ups, then they continue on thinking they’ve got it all figured out.
My photography took a huge jump forward because a another photog took the time to explain the details. I’m paying it forward with the same mentality and it’s great to know that you’re the same.
There’s enough wealth in the world, we can all share it.
Keep up the awesome work.
J.
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August 21st, 2009 at 9:21 am
You hit the nail on the head with this one Jason. I’m always willing to share what I know and I’m always eager to learn from those that know more than me.
If anyone wants to know how I did anything on my sites, send me a message.
Jonathon
http://www.iconimaging.ca
http://www.iconimaging.blogspot.com
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August 21st, 2009 at 6:33 pm
I think Jason is great for so many reason’s he is a great photographer who is not afraid to tell some secrets which makes him an even better photographer.
I was looking on google and typed in fashiopn photographers and Jason Christopher was the first to pop up so i was like this guy has to be good!! Saw your work and fell in love lol.
As an up and coming young photographer you jave proven to be great inspiration and a great role model when it comes to this world.
Thanks and keep up the great work!!
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August 23rd, 2009 at 6:02 pm
I believe the word you were looking for is “camaraderie.” Sure, photographers shouldn’t be jerks when somebody asks them for help or advice, but at the same time, it’s up to the questioner to respect the time of the guru by asking precise and appropriate questions.
“Hey that one image on your blog…how did you light that?” That’s a good questions. Quick and easy to answer.
“Tell me everything you know about lighting.” That’s an info dump, and the subject of a book. Who has time for that?
That said, there’s never any reason for a rude response. “Screw off!” is not an appropriate response, but a “Could you be a little more specific?” response isn’t a blow-off, either.
“People will forget what you said, People will forget what you did, But people will never forget how you made them feel.” — Maya Angelou.
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August 24th, 2009 at 2:15 am
i am doing a phtography project on yaaaa
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Jason Christopher Reply:
September 4th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Well thank you Connie !
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August 24th, 2009 at 7:07 am
Jason:
This was a nice breath of fresh air. Before being part of a workforce reduction this past April, I worked for 35 years as a photographer and photo director. I worked with some wonderful photographers ( I use this term and not photojournalist as I believe few stand-up to that title.) who were passionate, skilled,perceptive, and fair. Far too many others focused their work on the next contest or how it would look on “sportsshooter” (I’m poking the beast here!). Looking back, some of the best times as an editor were working with freelancers who focused only on the honest recording of their subjects most with little for equipment but a chuck-load of heart.
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August 29th, 2009 at 4:30 am
hahaha…… looks like your post hit a chord…. a link to it can be found on photoeditor.com
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Jason Christopher Reply:
September 10th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Hey buddy, why have you been so quiet ? Come on you are one of my biggest fans
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August 29th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Jason,
Great post Jason and thank you for making it. About 10 years ago a number of editorial shooters in the SF Bay Area got together with just this ethic in mind: sharing information makes us all stronger. Editorial Photographers or EP (http://www.editorialphoto.com/ ) was born and I think had a very positive effect in the business/professional lives of a lot of photographers in the industry.
Every bad business decision another photographer makes when it comes to contracts and negotiating rights etc. hurts us all in the long run so it’s in our best interest to help each other make better, more informed decisions.
Jason Grow
http://www.jasongrow.com
jason@jasongrow.com
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Jason Christopher Reply:
September 10th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Thank you Jason for your support. Please spread the word about my post and blog. Love your work btw. Very professional.
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September 12th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
[...] Photographer Comradery IS Important | Los Angeles Fashion … [...]
September 21st, 2009 at 3:48 am
thank you, thank you and effing thank YOU!
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September 22nd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Just wanted to thank you…not just for the loads of information you provide…but for having that open approach. I had to call two photographers today to shadow for a class and I felt myself procrastinating and panicking. At some point, I just felt like what the heck…so they bite my head off. For every pro photographer out there that is being an ass, at least there is one photographer like you willing to help and teach. So thanks…it is much appreciated.
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Jason Christopher Reply:
September 23rd, 2009 at 7:02 am
Hi Fizzah,
You’re very welcome and it is my pleasure ! Please go through my blog and ask any questions you may have. If you have a question that I have not answered in the blog feel free to ask in the appropriate section and I will always be here to help
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September 23rd, 2009 at 10:43 am
The big secret about lighting — there are no secrets. The things photographers try to hide are known by almost every lighting tech and grip on any movie set. Glad to see someone passing along this info to still photographers.
The best place to learn lighting is Art/Painting books. Reverse engineer Rembrandt’s, Henry Fuseli’s, etc, etc lighting. A term often used by moition picture directors of photography is “Chiaroscuro” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiaroscuro
Jason Christopher knows the business of photography, how to deal with people on a set, etc, etc. This you aren’t going to find in books or on the net. Lighting is easy, bidding, directing models, etc isnt.
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Jason Christopher Reply:
September 24th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
C.D. thank you so much for your comment. Lighting is lighting it’s the intangible things that one cannot find in books. I can teach it and help people develop those skills but in the end it’s all up to the individual shooter to develop those directing skills, business skills etc.
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September 30th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Hi Jason,
I’m glad to have found this post by you, a respected professional. I’ve been saying the same things for a couple years now. I wouldnt be making my living as a photographer if I hadnt found another photographer (Giulio Sciorio) who takes the same view as you do. I was struggling to learn through books and experimentation, and finally emailed him asking to assist in order to learn more. He gladly took me on, and taught me everything he knew from lighting to business administration. We still bounce ideas off each other, and I know he still answers any question anyone asks him. When Giulio and I would set up a lighting scenario, we would both shoot the same models under the same lights, and come up with different results. Photography isnt about secret techniques, it’s about the photographer’s vision.
I think raising the skill level of photography in general is essential, especially in this age of easy digital cameras. The more the market is saturated with poor photos, the more people who are buying photos will think they can reduce their bottom line. Fotoquote, networking, photography associations, are all tools we have to make sure that our world doesnt get further devalued. The old phrase “United we stand” doesnt just apply to armies…
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Jason Christopher Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Hi Brad,
Thank you so much for your support. Please pass this post on to every photographer you know and to any blogs you view.
Cheers !
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September 30th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
grab your balls and DROP your egos. LOL thank you.
your like a breath of fresh air to the egoistic fashion society.
so much vanity, creativity has become vague.
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Jason Christopher Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Well thank you very much Karelea
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October 18th, 2009 at 5:59 am
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October 28th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
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October 31st, 2009 at 9:02 pm
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November 2nd, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Hey Jason,
Have not had a chance to post a question in a long time but have been following you on FB. Nice to be back on your site.
Recently, a friend and I were having a discussion about what “testing” with models meant. I figured I should ask someone in the industry like yourself.
1) What is a model test?
2) Do you give a cd of unedited images from the shoot?
3) Does the photographer provide hair and makeup or does the model do her own simple stuff?
Any help that you can provide would help in settling out score!
Thanks a lot.
Tom
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Jason Christopher Reply:
November 11th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Hey Tom ! Good to see you back.
Ok back in the days of film and you had your great shooters like Irving Penn, Patrick Demarchelier, Paolo Roversi etc. they needed to “test” new lighting techniques. They wanted to use a model and not a mannequin. So the model would help the photographer in hopes of creating a relationship that would lead to work. The photographer would give the model a couple prints as a thank you. Another type of “test” is like a screen test in the film industry. Directors shoot a scene with the actress they are interested in to see if they like the way she acts out the scene and interprets the script. To this day screen tests are done all the time. No the actress does not get the film.
Another type of test is when a photographer discovers a potential model, he will shoot a few rolls to see how she acts, looks, gives good face etc. in front of the camera. He will then show the images to a few agencies he is tight with in hopes they will sign her. If they sign her then the photographer will get a finders fee. That fee is different with all agencies.
Well nowadays the whole “test” concept has been blown waaaaaay out of proportion. This whole TFP TFCD crap is exactly that, CRAP. Models think they own the copyright which is so not the case and they expect to get all the images. I don’t test anymore, if I do it is rare and ONLY if I think the model can improve my book. I will then have my retoucher touch up my choices and if the model likes my choices I give her them as a digital file. If I am doing a PAID test, then I give the model a disc of all the images in hi res not retouched and she goes on her merry way.
Whichever test I am doing, paid or not, I ALWAYS use my own hair and make up. I have worked with them a long time and can expect great results. I direct them for the look I want and that’s it.
So the bottom line is YOU are the boss, in charge and makes all the decisions. That doesn’t mean I am not open to suggestions, but I do have the final word. If the model doesn’t agree, she can open the door herself and walk away. A test should benefit everyone’s books. If my team wants retouched images they have to pitch in to help pay my retoucher. They don’t wanna pitch in, they don’t get anything.
So the only time I give the model a whole cd of all images not retouched of course is when I am being paid.
Hope this helps !
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November 11th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
That’s really cool and good information. This is extremely helpful. EXTREMELY helpful.
Just one more thing though – What about the styling for the test shoot? Who does that? Gees… what’s the point of testing for your book if the styling is not there? As a pro photographer who tests… do you also style the models or do you let them do that?
Thanks for all your help. I really love the blog and your helpful nature….. just like Melissa Rodwell’s site… i can’t wait to read your posts……
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Jason Christopher Reply:
November 12th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Hey Tom,
Thank you for the compliment. I have a stylist pull clothes when I shoot for my book. That is absolutely necessary because I want my vision to become a reality. Don’t any of you photographers ever think that you can do a shoot without one of your team members. If one element is missing, the whole shoot is a waste.
Now, when I get a paid test I tell the “model” to bring her own clothes. I ask her to email me some photos of her so I can advise her as to what looks will work best for her. In both situations, a stylist is totally necessary.
Stop by more often and also I want your feedback as well as anyone else who reads my blog as to what they want me to cover if I haven’t already.
Cheers !
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November 12th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
That is such awesome information.
Nothing like getting answers directly from professionals like yourself.
Thanks for the answers. I have so much more which I’m going to ask.
Keep writing cause I love this blog.
Tom
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Jason Christopher Reply:
November 12th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Thank you so much Tom. Ask and comment anytime you want.
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November 18th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Hi!
Forgive my english, I’m french… I’m here just to say there are not a lot of professional photographers like you who share techniques. I’m very happy to find your website and your blog, your photos are amazing.
I don’t know why is it difficult to share information, it’s very typically on photography’s domain.
If there is someone up the sky, we can thank him for your tips.
I never met in France someone you share techniques, only paying workshops… Lol…I share a lot with my friends too, I’m very passionnate so I say all and I don’t care because I make my own photos.
Sorry my english again!
Thank you Jason Christopher!
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Jason Christopher Reply:
November 19th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Hi Anthony,thank you so much for the compliments. Yes I advocate sharing information with everyone. There are no secrets. We all need to stop thinking that other photographers are our enemies.
Please look through the rest of my blog and feel free to ask any questions you like.
Cheers,
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November 19th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
[...] Earlier this year, I was giving a lecture and conducting a live cover photo shoot for photographers of all levels at Samy’s Camera here in Los Angeles. I began the lecture with a statement that was so simple, so earnest, you would expect to here it from your own mother. I asked each attendee to look at those sitting to each side of them, to see them not as their competitors but rather their comrades. If you they could see that, they would succeed. How do I know this? Because it’s how I have treated other photographers since I began my photographic journey over 20 years ago. And it was because of those comrades I met at a cafe in Milan that I began shooting for Italian Vogue and other Conde Nast publications. This simple lesson has carried with me over the years and it appears the lesson resonates still. My friend and former assistant Jason Christopher was in the audience and I later found out that my message resonated with him as he passed this on as well in his blog. [...]
November 20th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Jason, I do a agree and your post as well as Jerry’s has sparked something in me, but I do have a question/comment.
Many photogs don’t share their information, they sell it. If you want to know how they do it they reply with: “sign up for my course or seminar or DVD that I sell.” Are you saying they shouldn’t sell it and just share it? What are your thoughts on that?
Thanks,
Brian
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Jason Christopher Reply:
November 23rd, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Hi Brian,
. Thank you for the question Brian.
You make a good point. I say as does Jerry Avenaim that we should share information however, many people need hands on instruction.
If someone told you how to put crown moulding in your house over the phone, in an email or even on youtube, could you really understand and feel enough confidance to do it yourself?
So imagine trying to explain over the phone or in an email what key lighting is or how to light a car. Do you really think that photographer will be able to execute it perfectly?
How do you explain how to direct a model and bring out that model’s soul in an email? A hands on workshop in this instance is why we charge for workshops and DVD’s.
Color calibration, contracts, directing a make up , hair and wardrobe stylist can’t be learned in an email or phone call. But if someone asks me about usage, pricing etc. then of course that can be taught in an email.
All my posts explain how I lit the shot and some I show diagrams. I still get people asking why they don’t get the same results as I do.
I hope this gives you and others more understanding of where I am coming from.
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November 21st, 2009 at 2:43 am
Hi Jason!
I would ask my first question! May be you already explained it before…
I just started my career in professionnal photography, I’m like somebody call: a semi-professional. I’m a law student and photographer.
Law is important in photography in think
I would know how do you earn your first clients, how do you prospect at your beginning? Because i don’t know where to start. Can you be my guiding light here?
Thank a lot
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Jason Christopher Reply:
November 24th, 2009 at 12:05 am
Hi Anthony,
You are correct, law is very important in photography. How does a new photographer start getting clients ? That my friend is not easy. I would say in today’s world having a great website is the first step. Of course you have to have good work too. Your website should be simple and easy to navigate. After your site is up you have to optimize it so you show up on the first page of Google which is not easy. You make promo cards and you send those to a targeted group of clients. I can give you a hundred different ways to prosper and get your name out there but this post would never end lol. This is what my workshop is for. When you attend my private photography workshop I will teach you the marketing side of photography as well as hands on technical skills that you need to learn. Fashion photography is a never ending learning process and I can help you get a head start. More info on my workshop can be found here.
Thank you for your question Antoine. And remember you can always come to my blog for more info on other topics as well.
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November 23rd, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Hi Jason,
Thank you! Great answer and well said.
I have to agree with all of that.
Now check your email because I inquired about a workshop with you
All the best,
Brian
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Jason Christopher Reply:
November 23rd, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Hey Brian. Thank you ! I just replied to your email. And for others who don’t know, I teach private one on one workshops that will give you a great jump start to your career.
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February 16th, 2011 at 11:42 am
You’re a breath of fresh air. I know this is an old post but I was just about to send this link to a girl who I gave a wealth of info to and I had asked her one question about 3 times and she ignored it every time. So I was going to hit her with your post!! But she came through. I knew Jerry A. back in the day in Chicago. Thanks for keeping it real, keeping the integrity high, and practicing good karma. Gives me hope for the human race.
Linda Kuo
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